Prophetic Book of Mormon   (Supportive LDS Authors & Coference Talk)
(Other) Supportive LDS Authors & Conference Talks
-- Writings pointing to or supporting the compassionate bloodless "Vegetarian" Millennial lifestyle choice.
1.  Loaves and Fishes -- Five Barley Loaves and Two "Fish" Loaves Blessed. 
          Nibley, Hugh: "Prophetic Book of Mormon"(portion of text is below)
                Then see TLRodgers: Broiled "Fish" and Jewish Wedding: Bread "Fish"
2. Also see Dr Nibley's book: "Brother Brigham Challenges the Saints" (esp.chapters 1&2)
3. Widtsoe, John and Leah: "The Word of Wisdom, A Modern Interpretation"

          (Available on LDS Info-Base or Gospel Link CDs. Also archieved here in simple text)
4. Conference Talk: Apostle Joseph F Merrill "Eat Meat Sparingly" Apr 1948
5. Conference Talks: President Spencer W Kimball "Don't Kill the Birds" April & Sept 1978

Prophetic Book of Mormon,  Hugh Nibley
 Chapter 19: Christ among the Ruins:
The Loaves and "Fishes"

pages 415-423
     ...But now it is time to turn to a particular text. When E. Revillout announced the discovery of a Coptic manuscript of the Gospel of the Twelve Apostles in 1904, he declared it to be the text which Origen and Jerome "considered . . . to be perhaps earlier than Saint Luke and referred to him in his prologue," a work esteemed by the church fathers as of "capital importance," uniquely free of any hint of heresy, carrying the tradition of Christ's visits to the earth beyond the scope of Luke-- even to an event fifteen years later. German scholarship promptly and routinely minimized the claims of Revillout, and went too far in the process. If the fragments of the Coptic Gospel of the Twelve Apostles do not necessarily occur in the order in which Revillout arranged them (the order which we will follow), subsequent discoveries make it clear that they really are connected parts of a single-- and typical-- forty-day manuscript, and that they belong to the earliest stratum of early Christian writing. Revillout's arrangment does not follow quite the same order as 3 Nephi, either, but a comparison of the two may be instructive.

     The Lord's condescension: He came and ate with them:

     Evangile des douze apôtres, Fragment 2, in PO 2:132

     Friends: Have you ever seen, Bretheren, such a loving Lord, promising his apostles his own kingdom? Where they would eat and drink with him upon a heavenly table even as he had eaten with them on earth at an earthly table.

     Thereby he up them in mind of the heavenly table, considering the things of this world [kosmos] as nothing.

     PO 2:132-33. If you really want to know, listen and I will tell you. Did not God feel an equal love for all of his apostles? Listen to John the Evangelist, testifying how the Christ used to plead with [sops] his Father on their behalf, even that "They become on even as we are one."

     PO 2:133. Do you want to know the truth about that? It is that he chose the Twelve.

     PO 2:132. Listen to John the Evangelist testifying. [On this matter he refers them back to the testimony of John.]

     The barley loaves and the "fishes":

     PO 2:133. . . . upon them, saying, I feel concerned [pity] for this multitude; for behold they have been with me for three days, and [now] they have nothing to eat. I don't want to let them leave here hungry, lest they faint by the wayside.

     Andrew said to him, My Lord, where will we find bread in this wilderness?

      Jesus said to Thomas: Go to a certain [pei] man who has with him five loaves of barley bread and two fishes, and bring them to me here.

     Andrew said to him Lord, how far would five loaves go with such a huge crowd?

     Jesus saith to him: Bring them to me and there will be enough.

    (While they go for the food Jesus talks with a little child.)

     And so they sent [for the food]. A small child was brought to Jesus, and straightway, he began to worship him. The small child said to Jesus, Lord I have suffered much because of these [i.e., at the hands of people. The puzzled scribe connects this with the loaves: the child must have suffered because of them, as if the child had been sent to fetch them]. Jesus saith to the child, Give me the five loaves which have been entrusted to you.
 PO 2:134. Thou has not saved [rescued] this multitude in time of need, but it is the toikonomia [arrangment, ordinance, divine intent] that [they] behold a marvelous thing, the remembrance of which shall never pass away, nor the food with which they are filled.
Note here the strange precocity of the child and the sacramental (memorial) nature of the meal.

     The sacrament administered:

     PO 2:134. And Jesus (1) took the loaves

     and (2) blessed them [gave thanks over them]

     and (3) blessed it;

     and (4) gave them to the apostles

      (5) that they might bear them to the multitude.

     The sacrament withheld:

     PO 2:134. For Judas [had been] the last to partake of the loaves [this refers back to the Last Supper, to illustrate a principle].

     Andrew said to Jesus, O Master [sah], Judas did not receive a kleronomia [of] loaves . . . to bear to the multitude . . . [such as] . . . we were to give to them.

     That is because he to whom I did not give a share of the loaves from my hands was not worthy of a part [share] of my flesh.

     Neither did he care to share with the poor, but thought only of the glosogomon [finance].

     The sacramental prayer:

     PO 2:134. It is a mystery of my Father . . . which con[cern]s . . . the partaking [dividing] of my flesh.

     And forthwith he blessed them, saying, O my Father, root [source] of all good, I ask thee to bless these five barley loaves that all these [multitude] may be filled, that thy son may be glorified in thee; and that those whom thou hast drawn to thee out of the world might hearken to [after, obey] him.

     PO 2:134-35. And straightway his word came to pass in exousia [authority, as requested]. His blessing fell upon [shope] the bread in the apostles' hands.

     And all the people ate and were filled. They gave praise to God.

     Jesus prays three times:

     PO 2:134-35. You have seen, O my beloved one, what love Jesus had toward his apostles, insomuch that he kept [hid] nothing from them of any of the things touching upon his godhead [relationship to God].

     The first time while blessing the five loaves of barley bread.

     The second time in his giving thanks to his Father [the prayer is not quoted].

     The third time in giving thanks for the seven loaves [the prayer is not quoted].

     The Lord invites the disciples to ask for higher things:

     PO 2:135. Have you seen [considered], O my beloved ones, the love of Jesus towards his apostles; insomuch that he did not conceal anything from them, even all the things concerning his godhead?

     They are abashed and have to be encouraged:

     PO 2:135-36. Jesus saith unto Thomas: Thomas my friend, you and your brethren are free to ask me whatsoever you please and I will keep nothing back from you. Insomuch that you may see, and feel [palpitate] and be convinced in your heart...

Now see in Broiled "Fish" and  News: Jewish Wedding Bread"Fish"
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